[raytint]

Hello to all ! Last time the car (V40 D2, MY 2013, 1560 cc Ford – Peugeot engine) was due for annual service (mind you, I never reach the annual kms limit within a year, my rate after five years of ownership is 8000 km per year), the price asked by the dealer really shocked me (I suppose I am not alone in this !)

So, I decided to look for the spare parts and the engine oil needed on the net. First, I had to find out what were the oil specifications. Easy, I only opened the manual, and there it was: Castrol recommended, 5W – 30, ACEA A5/B5. Looking on the net, I found that Castrol Magnatec was of the specifications necessary, so I bought a four liter can and it was ok.

Later on, browsing through the invoices of previous services, I realized that the dealer used Castrol Edge (not Magnatec), 5W- 30 (ok!) BUT ACEA C3. I looked it on the net also, and I found out that it is of similar price.

So, question 1: What is the ACEA classification recommended for the car? A5/B5 or C3 (generally speaking Cx)

The story goes on. I visited the ACEA site (www.acea.be), which is in English, where I found that for passenger cars with DPF (this is my case) the recommendation was ACEA C2 or ACEA C3. Nothing about A5/B5 !

Please take a look at the following links:
http://www.acea.be/uploads/publications/2012_ACEA_Oil_Sequences.pdf
http://www.acea.be/uploads/news_documents/ACEA_European_oil_sequences_2016.pdf
(The second link is more recent)

Question 2: Is it possible for the manual of the car to contain such a mismatch, recommending ACEA A5/B5 for a car with DPF?

Your answers and solution to the puzzle will be much appreciated!

 

[chiptivo]

For info, I have the same engine and upon recommendation on here.

EDIT. It was actually my sons C30 (Volvo C30 1.6 2012), but has the exact same engine as my MY15 1.6
I was told to get 3.8l of 5w-30 ACEA A5/B5

I think the recommendation changed slightly during the last 6 years for the same engine. I think it was Buzby that had the explanation and reasons.

 

[buzby]

Hello to all ! Last time the car (V40 D2, MY 2013, 1560 cc Ford – Peugeot engine) was due for annual service (mind you, I never reach the annual kms limit within a year, my rate after five years of ownership is 8000 km per year), the price asked by the dealer really shocked me (I suppose I am not alone in this !)

So, I decided to look for the spare parts and the engine oil needed on the net. First, I had to find out what were the oil specifications. Easy, I only opened the manual, and there it was: Castrol recommended, 5W – 30, ACEA A5/B5. Looking on the net, I found that Castrol Magnatec was of the specifications necessary, so I bought a four liter can and it was ok.

Later on, browsing through the invoices of previous services, I realized that the dealer used Castrol Edge (not Magnatec), 5W- 30 (ok!) BUT ACEA C3. I looked it on the net also, and I found out that it is of similar price.

So, question 1: What is the ACEA classification recommended for the car? A5/B5 or C3 (generally speaking Cx)

The last listed specification for the D4162T D2 engine can be found in this table from Volvo's support website:
http://support.volvocars.com/uk/car...w46&article=4d76e576c58a3c76c0a801e801c396ac#
It lists ACEA A5/B5 0W-30 Castrol Edge Professional. The retail equivalent of this is Castrol Edge Titanium FST 0-30W A5/B5, which is approved by Volvo. On earlier model years the standard duty oil for the D4162T was specified as 5W-30 viscosity with 0W-30 as an option for adverse conditions, but by MY15 it was changed to just 0W-30 for all applications.

The story goes on. I visited the ACEA site (www.acea.be), which is in English, where I found that for passenger cars with DPF (this is my case) the recommendation was ACEA C2 or ACEA C3. Nothing about A5/B5 !

Please take a look at the following links:
http://www.acea.be/uploads/publications/2012_ACEA_Oil_Sequences.pdf
http://www.acea.be/uploads/news_documents/ACEA_European_oil_sequences_2016.pdf
(The second link is more recent)

Question 2: Is it possible for the manual of the car to contain such a mismatch, recommending ACEA A5/B5 for a car with DPF?

Your answers and solution to the puzzle will be much appreciated!

The difference between the ACEA A/B standard and the C-standards is the amount of SAPS (Sufated Ash, Phosphorous and Sulphur) found in the oil after a combustion test in the presence of Sulphuric Acid. the metal oxides that make up SAPS are a product of the detergents and additives in the oil being burnt.

As their documents state, the oils with the ACEA A/B specification have a high percentage of SAPS when tested, with the C specification having a lower SAPS percentage. The oxides in SAPS are bad for catalytic converters and DPFs as they block the matrix but unlike diesel particulates cannot be burnt away by a regeneration cycle. However, it's a balance between the benefits of the additives (such as increased economy, extended oil lifespan and neutralisation of corrosive acids from fuel vapour) and the potential damage to the catalyst/DPF.

Ford, PSA and Volvo have obviously determined that the benefits from the additives in an A/B specification oil for the DV6 engine family outweigh the risk of damage to the DPF. Part of this will be how 'oil tight' the engine is to limit the amount of oil (and the SAPS it contains) finding it's way into the exhaust.

 

[raytint]

Thank you buzby. If I get it right, when I use ACEA A/B oil, I run the risk of doing damage to the DPF. On the other hand, when I use an ACEA C oil, I loose in terms of fuel economy.
As I do less than 10000 kms per year and change the oil every year, I think that I do not have to mind about oil lifespan.
What about the third factor "neutralisation of corrosive acids"? The way you explain the difference between A/B and C standards, I thought that this third characteristic is inherent to standard C. Is it so ?
Also, as the car has only 40000 kms on the clock, I have reasons to believe that the engine is still "oil tight". To support this, I say that I never see a decrease to the oil quantity between changes (of course I remember that any loss could be substituted by diesel fuel injected at regen cycles).

 

[winstonsmith]

Hi guys, I resuscitate this thread to ask you what kind and brand of oil should I put in my 1.6 D2 MY14 V40 and if you have any advice about a reliable online shop for continental Europe? Last time I put a 0w30 A5/B5 castrol edge professional but now it costs about 20€/liter, which is crazy considered that from what I read online (independent tests) it isn't even on of the best motor oils... This time I would like to put a 5w30 A5/B5 oil. Advices?